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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:52:00 -
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I'm personally not a fan of Erotica's bonus rooms myself. I solve that issue by not participating in them, or listening. Works like a charm!
People these days just seem to go out of their way to find something to be offended at. If you don't like it, don't pay attention to it. Let the parties involved (Ero, CCP, and victim) sort it out.
I will say though, singing in comms is an old, old EVE pasttime. I remember doing a rousing rendition of "It's Raining Men" to save my ship in lowsec. Great fun. I mean, it's all a video game, nobody is being forced to do sillyness.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
Its not the case that E1 and the secret police, turned up at their house, put a bag on their head and took them away for a little light simulated drowning followed by having the genitals tickles with a carbattery and then losing fingers.
Tell me more, please. Only, somewhere private. And wear something sexy while you do it.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:31:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
What real life punishments did they suggest? I see in game punishments but nothing more in this post? ( unless they ninja edited )
I'm wondering what all these defenders of Erotica would say should the victim in question take it to the extreme and harm himself or family in any way. It's still just a game right?
I'm not an erotia supporter per se, but I'll take a shot. I'd say "Wow, I feel bad for that person's family. It's sad they couldn't get him the mental health care he so obviously needed."
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:54:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Agreed.
Only the authorities and mainline media will be looking for any and all triggers in even increasing detail. Blame has to land somewhere no?
I wouldnt say CCP would be over joyed at their game being a deciding factor.
It's actually one of the more annoying bits of mental healthcare in this day and age. People are more obsessed over discovering and avoiding "triggers" that set off mental disorders, than they are actually treating the disorder so the "trigger" is no longer a problem.
And, again going off past incidents where similar has happened....the media will try to conflate the game with the disorder (Mother shakes baby to death, then plays Farmville! News at 9!" and the authorities will apply legal "blame" to the person suffering said mental disorder.
Honestly, it's no longer a hypothetical in the gaming world. People have gone off the deep end and committed crimes due to in game behaviour. It's almost silly to speculate on the reaction, when you can just google it.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:17:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:
Where is the sticker that say's you cannot play this game EVE if you have mental problems?
EVE is a GAME it means its meant to entertain.
The "people" involved in this didn't stop at scamming and kept going on and on and on and on in a real sociopathic way. Even when the victims wife asked them to give his stuff back they just rolled on in their despicable behavior.
What you write is not on trial here, not whether the guy should or not should have fallen for this scam but should we as a community say at some point this is enough. This has gone way too far?
Or would you rather say, gee, great job E1 &co. until someone gets driven over the edge kills him/herself, this ok behavior?
What's being said is, if you are not mentally stable enough to handle the environment of EVE online, you shouldn't play.
Much like how I stayed away from FPS wargames when I was dealing with PTSD. I didn't insist the game be changed to suit my then emotional instability.
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:36:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Malcanis wrote:18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.
No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain. Hows that?
So wait, if I post on a 40K forum that Space Marines are a BS army, and someone feels emotionally distressed, I get EVE banned?
Hell, part of my job involves causing "emotional distress for my own gain". Kids get upset as all get out when the needle comes out, and I am getting paid for it...
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth".
If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists?
"Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.
Gotta be careful about those national laws too, Malc. The way some folks talk, CCP is responsible for knowing and adhering to every nation's laws out there.
I wonder if that applies to nations who have rules regulating women's behaviour in public, or requirements to hold a certain religion. In some nations, it's illegal to express an opinion against the government.
Is CCP on the hook for holding up those laws too, or only the "good" ones?
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Then again I have run acorss dudes whose idea of sexy time is getting beaten with a leather strap or watching some dude (unfortunately never me for some reason....lol) plow their significant other while they watch. There is NO accounting for taste.
Hey now, you leave Saturday Night out of this!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:48:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Erotica1 is, with malice, willful forethought and intent, extorting/blackmailing victims OUTSIDE OF THE GAME by holding their INGAME items ransom
I don't know about that. According to EVE, once you give your items to someone else, those items then belong to that person.
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:56:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:CCP is only going to intervene if it blows up like The Mittani thing. This soundcloud being heard by the wider world about their game is going to be very embarrassing.
So if this really bothers you, get it out to the greater gaming press and larger gaming community.
The epic lolz will happen when it does blow up....only more in the "Look at how goofy EVE players are singing and breaking stuff for a game!", and not "OMG look at this cyberbullying!"
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:03:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm to page 19 now. Contrary to popular belief, Widot guys are actually pretty smart.
Serious question. Are you going to consider (or at least respond to) the concerns people have outed over what you've been doing? And I mean respond as a person, as the player behind the keyboard, not as the Erotica1 'internet persona' which we all know (hope?) is an act.
What benefit would Ero get by doing that?
I mean, is there anything E1 could say, that would prevent you from wanting to hang him/her from the yardarm RL?
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:26:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:The people calling for Erotica 1 to be banned based on that recording........why are you not calling for Shadoo and Grath Telkin to be banned also based on the very public recordings of them (by defacto) engaging in what could be perceived to be exactly the same activity?
Oh hush you no better than that. Gankers and scammers and such are total scum. You can tell because the database numbers attached to that character say so!
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:34:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Oh ****.  If CCP does nothing about it, they're basically endorsing it...
I know whatcha mean, man. I feel the same way about GLBT discrimination and homophobia. If you aren't doing anything about it, you endorse it.
Say, have you marched in a pride parade, donated money to GLBT support orgs, or other such things? I mean if not, you're basically endorsing GLBT discrimination.
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:29:00 -
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One thing everyone seems to be forgetting, is how stupid easy it'd be to screw someone else over, if CCP decided they had to police outside of EVE convos.
Lets say I dislike Bob. I'm out to get Bob banned. I convince random guy to log on to mumble with "Hey Bob wants to talk to you". I pretend to be Bob, and throw shenanigans. CCP gets wind, Bob gets bannzed, I laugh.
Once you leave CCPs control, you can't authenticate someone is who they say they are. Anyone can log in to mumble, call themselves LAF, and pretend to be me.
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:56:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:Everyone in this thread should just take a step back, maybe drink a glass of water and calm down.
I really have a hard time to understand how anyone can call this cyberbullying or torture with a straight face. After all we are talking about game characters here and not about an attack on a persons real life. Everyone who can't see that difference has lost his perspective and can't separate fiction from reality anymore and should probably stay away from this kind of RPG.
I hope this thread gives Erotica 1 the publicity to get elected to the CSM and replace Reta.. sorry, Ripart Teg.
Erotica 1 4 CMS9 What part of the TS happened in game? If you had the guts to listen to that sound cloud part you would think twice about reality and fiction. The bullying was real and so the threads sent back at the sociopaths, but it all happened out of game so it's ok, right?
There is a tremendous difference between "OK" and "Problem CCP should address". If you start requiring CCP to police actions that occur off of CCPs servers, you open a huge can of very easily exploitable worms.
Example: "CCP, please ban Alyth. Here's a public TS recording of him being racist and evil. His denial (with a different voice) means nothing, he could get anyone to read a script for him."
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:00:00 -
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Theo Sotken wrote:Since the incident came to light only after the scammers themselves released details of the incident it makes you wonder if there are any cases worse than this that are hidden. Perhaps if the guy had not used the language he did after they broke him it may never have been realised as it allowed the scammers to take the moral high ground.
If such actions are tolerated within the Eve franchise perphaps the age restrictions for Eve should be raised.
Actually, this incident is kind of old news, it was posted long ago. It's only a "incident" now because An Eve Personality has made it an issue.
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:28:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:Frankly I doubt you care. Nobody cares. This is a vendetta against Erotica 1. Hence why people are simply dismissing his threats of violence and racism of Sokhar as if they were 'justified'. They're not. But no one is hanging him by the neck with anywhere near the same passion that they're going after Ero. This is a witchhunt, straight outta the 16th Century, run by the 'morality police' like a religious inquisition.
The saddest, most funny part is...switch some database numbers, log in a different toon, and suddenly this controversy gets flipped on it's head.
You know just as well as I do, if it were a +5.0 pillar of the community good guy pulling the same scam on a lowlife gankur, there'd be high-fives and backpatting galore.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:36:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:Frankly I doubt you care. Nobody cares. This is a vendetta against Erotica 1. Hence why people are simply dismissing his threats of violence and racism of Sokhar as if they were 'justified'. They're not. But no one is hanging him by the neck with anywhere near the same passion that they're going after Ero. This is a witchhunt, straight outta the 16th Century, run by the 'morality police' like a religious inquisition. The saddest, most funny part is...switch some database numbers, log in a different toon, and suddenly this controversy gets flipped on it's head. You know just as well as I do, if it were a +5.0 pillar of the community good guy pulling the same scam on a lowlife gankur, there'd be high-fives and backpatting galore. I know. I've known it since this thread went up. The hate against Ero was well established long before this. This is just the spark that lit the 'outrage' of the community. They were waiting for it, though, and as soon as it came, they pounced.
So much truth. When outrageous BS that crosses the line happens to a good guy, The screams for CCP to do something are long and loud.
When outrageous BS that crosses the line happens to a "bad guy", Well they shoulda known better and thought of that before they became bad guys.
This just feels like kinda a political move. Stir up the morality squad by exposing the evil Ero 1, to cover for a lackluster CSM term. Dem votes mang.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:04:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:I'll just leave this here. Pay attention to 1  THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)1 Glibness/superficial charm 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth 3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom 4 Pathological lying 5 Cunning/manipulative 6 Lack of remorse or guilt 7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions] 8 Callous/lack of empathy 9 Parasitic lifestyle 10 Poor behavioural controls 11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour 12 Early behaviour problems 13 Lack of realistic long-term goals 14 Impulsivity 15 Irresponsibility 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions 17 Many short term marital relationships 18 Juvenile delinquency 19 Revocation of conditional release 20 Criminal versatility WOOHOO!! I scored 20!!!! I WIN!! Wait.... is that bad??
It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:46:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:No, there is not. Exactly as I expected. The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find. That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems. There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false.
Hey, if people feel THAT strongly that Ero 1 has broken laws and deserves punishment...well, these people need to contact the local authorities to get the ball rolling.
Specifically, you'd likely need to talk to your local DA. Should you be able to convince them that there's a case to pick up, they'll be able to subpoena CCP and build a criminal case.
Or, more likely, the DA will go "lol whut, this is video games" and laugh uproariously.
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:08:00 -
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Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:12:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting. Procrastinating at work for me
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:16:00 -
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Berendas wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.
What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? The only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate.
I'm a nurse practitioner. I do shifts at the nearby ER, and for people with prescription privs, it's a 24 hour shift.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:28:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Berendas wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.
What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? The only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate. I'm a nurse practitioner. I do shifts at the nearby ER, and for people with prescription privs, it's a 24 hour shift. Yikes. Tough job, how do you stay awake at the end of your shift though. I tend to start dozing after 20 hours of work...
It's not TOO bad. We aren't required to actually be awake during the whole shift, and the hospital is in a quiet area. I'll normally catch a few hours nap here and there, and that tides me over until I get off-shift.
The salary diff between nurses who pull ER shifts and those who don't more than makes up for it.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:34:00 -
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So, here's my question for the "E1 should be banned!" crowd. Lets say CCP does just that, and bans Ero from EVE. It would be safe to say, at that point, that what you say in third-party comm systems now counts as part of Eve. Where, at that point, do we draw a line?
Lets take my personal bugbear, GLBT and womens rights. The EVE community can be, quite frankly, ugly towards GLBT people. From something as simple as "OMG U R A (insert derogatory term for homosexual), to malicious attacks on transgender people for "lying about being a girl!". I see those acts as waaaay more "cyberbully" than Ero 1.
So, would it be OK for me to demand CCP take action on a person who says "That fit is gay!" on Battleclinic? What about the guy who says on teamspeak "LOL get in the kitchen!" to a female corpie? GLBT/womens rights in gaming is a hot-ticket thing right now, you know. EVE would get a reputation if word got out. The gaming media would have a field day!
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:01:00 -
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Brusanan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Things are getting a little wacky again. Let's see if we can rein it in a bit with a simple question. Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations? Mr Epeen  I think it's not up to the game company to decide what consenting adults should/shouldn't do outside of their game.
Also, the diagnosis of psychopathy doesn't exist, in a medical sense. It's covered by a few separate disorders. PLus, diagnosing someone with a mental disorder is typically reserved to doctors and such, not game designers. There are rules 'bout dat.
I think, if a game company told me "You're a psychopath, you aren't allowed to play our game", my first question would be "You have the ability to make this diagnosis how?" My second would be "Can I get the information for your lawyer?"
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:17:00 -
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Brusanan wrote:
"Sociopath" and "Psychopath" are colloquial terms, not medical ones. They are different shades of Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
Ohhh, I know. Like I said, one of my pet peeves. You'd think if a game company were going to be dumb enough to do something like deny access based on medical disorders, that they'd use the correct terminology!
The diagnosis of ASPD and DID also take a ton of observation and testing. IIRC, there are even specific warnings that say "Do not use a single incident of ASPD-like behaviour as a basis for diagnosis."
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:29:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:
There's actually a lot of debate amongst the psyche community about the issue. Is "ASPD" even a diagnosable disorder? Is "psychopathy/sociopathy" even real? If so, how does ASPD differ from psychopathy and how does psychopathy differ from sociopathy?
THANKFULLY, because of brain imagining, these questions are being brought to light.
I think me and you could be great pals, outside of this current debacle!
Anyway, aren't fMRI's awesome? We've discovered so much about how the brain works since that technology came out. Amazing the places neuropsychology is going.
From my own life, I've found it quite interesting and vindicating that brain scans of transgender people show they light up in ways typical of their "chosen" gender, and not birth gender. Great stuff.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:41:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
But even brain imaging is showing that many people have a least one precursor for ASPD.
And, iirc (been awhile since I worked in the MH field), you simply cannot treat sociopathy, which is the main reason it was changed to ASPD.
And not to mention, because sociopathy/psychopathy is so hard to diagnose/treat, most diagnoses of ASPD focus on psychotic triggers, not sociopathic ones.
Which begs the question....
Is sociopathy merely "the human condition?"
I recall a paper I read once from a sociology guy, who made the case that ASPD behaviours are actually required for a certain percentage of the population, in order to make society work right. Damned if I can remember where I read it though!
His premise was, the because humans aren't "perfect" herd creatures and tend to live in smallish groups, the sociopathic behaviour types actually induced a level of leadership per tribe, that would otherwise be lacking.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:57:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:
Im gonna make this simple for you. I live in a foriegn country outside of CCP's jurisdiction. Right now I'm gonna print up a bunch of t-shirts with CCP logos on them. Is the EULA gonna stop me somehow?
Nah Maybe I'll take the model files for a rifter or an astero and put them into my 3-d printer and make some toys to play with while we debate. Regardless. The Eula specifically states "in the game" that does not mean they can barge into my living room and stop me from printing my own eve toys. Does this make sense to you? The context of any harassment happened outside the confines of the virtual "in the game" setting. As such it is open for E1 to take this to court if he really wants to. Justification for death threats is felony charges so....................Good riddance. Biggots and racists wear orange jumpsuits from what i understand.
It wouldn't be EULA that gets you, but your countries laws on IP rights, and CCPs willingness to pursue it.
Which, remarkably enough, fits right in with Ero 1. Once you move off of CCP's controlled systems, you leave CCP's "control" via EULA. While I find Ero's actions via the bonus room kinda distasteful, I find the idea of "EULA applies to off-EVE situations" even more scary.
Someone writes an ALOD on your loss, demand CCP take action on the writer. Battle report shows your corp in a bad light, scream for CCP to issue bans.
That's not even considering some of the stupidity people would get up to, if CCP were forced to police third party. I'm sure there are people willing to post this totally true and not at all faked soundcloud of (person they don't like) breaking EULA.
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H aVo K wrote:olan2005 wrote: 7 . This kind of brutal humiliation of people and psychological bullying through ransom of assets , needs to be stated by CCP to be illegal when using out of game mechanisms. BASICALLY MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO INVITE PEOPLE TO TEAMSPEAK SO FORTH WHEN YOUR SCAMMING THEM . This keeps everything within the EULA by keeping it in-game. As such it can be handled by CCP within the EULA framework
This would likely have an unintended effect on awoxing and corporate espionage.
Not to mention, destroy the ability TO scam in one fell swoop.
"Hey man gimmee 1bil ISK I'll double it!"
"OK, log on to Teamspeak and ask for the ISK there."
". . ."
"Knew it, scammy mcscammer!"
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This thread has a life of it's own, Threadzilla!
Anyway, taking bets on CCPs response, if any, being along the lines of: "We cannot take action on events that do not happen within our services. We are neither for nor against any behaviour a person takes outside of our system, with the exceptions of agreements made with CSM candidates."
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Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.
We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".
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LordOfDespair wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.
We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned". I have just realised where I have seen your name before. http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gifWow dude, just wow Wow indeed.
wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.
It makes me feel wanted.
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LordOfDespair wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.
It makes me feel wanted.
Go away creep.
Don't be a hater, be a congradulater!
Hey, last ER shift I saved a dude who managed to OD himself on ******. You done anything good in life recently?
(Sorry fellow forum warriors, just couldn't resist it!)
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.
We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned". I have just realised where I have seen your name before. http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gifWow dude, just wow Wow indeed. wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it. It makes me feel wanted. Well I guess it depends on A - Your telling the truth then total respect for you, seriously. B - You are pathetic excuses for a human being trying to pass your self off as a disabled War Veteran and a person caring for kids with leukaemia. I guess if you were either you would understand why it is sick.
Understand perfectly. Lots of trashy people use the war vet routine to get things, and it makes me go all squee inside when they get busted.
I've offered to send evidence to a trusted third party who won't reveal personal information, but none of the naysayers want that...for some reason, they really wanna see my personal info...wierdos, man.
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.
It makes me feel wanted.
Go away creep. Don't be a hater, be a congradulater! Hey, last ER shift I saved a dude who managed to OD himself on ******. You done anything good in life recently? (Sorry fellow forum warriors, just couldn't resist it!) I helped my neighbour, who is not able to walk very well carry her shopping up some stairs earlier today. Does that count?
For sure! Helping people who otherwise couldn't help themselves is one of the great things you can do in life. Props, man.
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Oh and thanks a lot guys. I cut a bet with my spouse that this thread would be locked before it hit 300 pages. You people are going to cost me a fancy sit-down meal.
That's torture.
I want permabans for everyone!
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Oh and thanks a lot guys. I cut a bet with my spouse that this thread would be locked before it hit 300 pages. You people are going to cost me a fancy sit-down meal.
That's torture.
I want permabans for everyone! Go for a bonus round: make it sushi - you still have 10 pages to go.
I tried. Spouse already has the place picked out, it's some pretentious place with a tasting menu. I consider fancy dining to be "Go inside McDs and sit down to eat."
I'm not complaining TOO hard though. Tenth anniversary!
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Jiorj wrote:
I figure all the IB4L folks are mislead because CCP is letting this burn off as a steam valve to take down the pressure. If you look at the stats of this thread you will see it is being dominated by a dozen players (who may or may not be alts of each other)
As to 10th anniversary, well done and you KNOW you were going to do a sitdown for that anyways.
Thanks! I know, but, there was hope man. It was like I was sitting in the bonus room, and....nah I won't go there.
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Billy McCandless wrote:wahs goin awn in dis fore um.....HOLEYMUTHUROVGAWDAAHAHHAHH
Mi ayes mi ayes
dey is burnin
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Go back to bed Billy, or else I'm gonna tell your sister you were playing in her underwear drawer again.
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Whenever you decide to say "Do X to Y person, to make an example!", plug your own name into that before you point at someone else. If it sounds unreasonable with your own name in it, it's unreasonable.
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Forget having to log in and go look for PVP now...I can get a full dose of tears, screaming, insults, and badly worded arguments just coming to this thread.
Toss in some hazing by master ship-fitting experts and there we go, op success.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I told you this in comms already. Your whole setup is fking amateurish and full of holes.
Oh wait, there's the hazing by ship fitting experts!
OP SUCCESS!
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Sokhar for CSM. Considering just how NOT butthurt Sohkar is being about this, I guess we can finally absolve Salvos Rhoska of being Sohkar. But not of being a fake lawyer.
So wait, I'm a little out of the loop here, lemme throw a timeline up. Tell me if it's right.
Ero cons Sokhar out of some ISK and dignity.
Sokhar overreacts on TS
It gets posted, people giggle.
A month later, Ripard Teg posts a witch hunt blog post
Threadzilla ensues, torture speculation, what have you
Sokhar and Ero have reunion
Sokhar basically says "LoL I got back on my EVE feet whutchu kids mean torture?"
This is kinda close, right? If so, a few people owe Ero an apology, I think. If even your VICTIM says "that's not how it happened", c'mon.
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Muestereate wrote:
For A fee of 12 billion isk I will do a deeper examination and provide a report but only to sohkar
That wasn't like, an offer to exchange real life goods or services for ISK, was it? Coz, that's against EULA.
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Mara Rinn wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Muestereate wrote:
For A fee of 12 billion isk I will do a deeper examination and provide a report but only to sohkar
That wasn't like, an offer to exchange real life goods or services for ISK, was it? Coz, that's against EULA. You're allowed to exchange in-game services for in-game currency.
True, but a report on someone's mental health in depth enough to hold a diagnosis of StockHolm Syndrome would take at least 3, if not more, in person-in-depth psychoanalyst sessions to accurately confirm.
I mean, unless he, or anyone else were trying to make this diagnosis via online, in-game interactions. That would run the gamut between "Pretty silly" and "Most definitely a felony" depending on jurisdiction.
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I disagree. Harm is not purely physical. Harm can be also pyschological. Harm doesn't have to be permanent, it can be temporary. If someone spits on you in the street and you go home and shower was no harm done? If someone deliberately makes your day miserable at work and you go home and later feel better was no harm done? In both cases harm was done, it was just not permanent and so you couldn't find a remedy in a court for that but its still harm.
Be silent you hateful yardle-curdler You harm us all with your souless, tastless, utterly utterly pointless nonsense This matter is at an end And yes, I am angry Because all you do is cause trouble and grizzle at people You unpleasant wretch 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.22. Post constructively. Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.1ST OFFENCE GÇô WARNING 2ND OFFENCE GÇô 14 DAY SUSPENSION 3RD OFFENCE GÇô 30 DAY SUSPENSION 4TH OFFENCE GÇô 90 DAY SUSPENSION 5TH OFFENCE GÇô 180 DAY SUSPENSION 6+ OFFENCES GÇô 180 DAY SUSPENSION (OR PERMANENT BAN IF TRANSGRESSION IS SEVERE ENOUGH) Oh shut your face God I hate your garbage so so so much I DONT CARE DO YOU HEAR
Ramona dear I caught Billy running around the thread with your underwear on his head. You go take care of that 'fore you get in trouble again. We'd miss you if you went on vacation!
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Tarojan wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, since the witch hunt has been outed as a witch hunt, what do we do now?
My thought is, we make a list. Since, thanks to Sohkar, it has been revealed that it's laughable to call it torture, and no harm was really done... then what we really have here is precisely what it looked like.
A textbook example of demagoguery, trying to whip up people into a lynch mob against someone, because you don't like something about them.
But since Ripard Teg is now the Fred Phelps of EVE, who are the rest of the Westboros? I say we start getting some names down. For our own mutual protection, of course.
Thoughts? Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.
Even better, him and Ero hopped on a live chat, and recounted fun old times. Basically said "LoL what torture it was all willing I just overreacted some."
Basically, people snapped off for a massive witch hunt without even asking the victim's opinion on the matter.
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Basically, people snapped off for a massive witch hunt without even asking the victim's opinion on the matter. And I think Ripard owes Sohkar an apology at the very least.
I agree. Hell, I'll step up now and apologize to Sohkar. Sorry if I came off like a jerk and implied you had a hand in starting all this BS. That wasn't very cool of me, I'm human and I make mistakes too. If you ever feel like going on a roam and blowing up some miners, let me know.
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.
Oh but it is. Eve doubly so my brother And I choose to disagree regarding consequences
Ramona, I think the ultimate issue here is, some people just don't know how to separate Eve from anything else in life. Eve is their life, so the EULA/ToS binds all.
Send a message via e-mail mentioning EVE=falls under ToS.
Facebook post about EVE=still bound by EULA
Hop on TS and have an EVE convo=better follow those rules or they'll gitcha!
The concept of "I have left CCPs sphere of influence" utterly eludes them.
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Anomaly One wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.
Oh but it is. Eve doubly so my brother And I choose to disagree regarding consequences Ramona, I think the ultimate issue here is, some people just don't know how to separate Eve from anything else in life. Eve is their life, so the EULA/ToS binds all. Send a message via e-mail mentioning EVE=falls under ToS. Facebook post about EVE=still bound by EULA Hop on TS and have an EVE convo=better follow those rules or they'll gitcha! The concept of "I have left CCPs sphere of influence" utterly eludes them. so if I shat a turd does CCP have copyright claims ?
Only if it looks like a Rev.
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I keep making this "outside of EVE=cannot be policed" statement, and I realise some of you just might not understand what I'm talking about. I'm going to whip out muh smrts here, and see if I can't explain
Two important concepts when dealing with information. Authentication and Non-repudiation. Authentication says "I'm allowed to access this data". Non-repudiation says "I am who I say I am.".
In this context, CCP has non-repudiation on exactly one thing. Access to it's services. When I log on to CCPs services (or visit fanfest), CCP knows that LAF is me. The second I leave CCP's services, I now have repudiation of identity. LAF on tumblr may not be me. LAF on facebook may not be me. LAF on SA.com may not be me. CCP doesn't know. Even if I come right out and say "LAF on Facebook and EVE are the same person", CCP *STILL* does not know, legally, if it's the same person.
The EULA is a legal document. It has to be looked at from a legal standpoint. A ban is a legal action taken to terminate the contract. If CCP takes action on an account based on a third party set of information, they are taking the risk that the account holder will turn around and say "That's not me". That would be...quite the snafu. IIrC, Linden lab, the Secondlife owners, used to take action on accounts via third party information, and they got nailed in court for it.
I'll give a mildly outlandish example. Lets just say Ero gets banned. He takes it to court. All Ero's lawyer has to do is say "CCP, what proof do you have that the voice on that recording is actually my client's?"
Lets say I get banned, because CCP really doesn't like the posts I make about Dust 514 on my blog. I take it to court, my lawyer says "CCP, prove that the person who maintains that blog is also my client."
It's that simple.
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